Wednesday, August 15, 2007

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On Tuesday, August 14th, 2007 podcasting of Voice of the Republic, the guys discussed a question that asked: what if Anakin Skywalker allowed Mace Windu to kill Palpatine? It is a very good question. One that Billie Wheelz and I discussed several times. It's something he and I discuss over a few beers and a few hours.

As on Voice of the Republic (VOR), we will begin at the point where Mace Windu, Kit Fisto, Saesee Tin, and Agen Kolar head out to arrest Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. Master Windu commands Anakin to stay in the Jedi Council chambers. Fast forward and we find Mace Windu ready to strike Palpatine down while his fellow council members lie dead all around them. We all know what happens. This time, Master Windu kills Palpatine. Now let's assume that Anakin does nothing and walks away. What would happen?

Well, at that point Windu would fall to the dark side. Many of the Jedi, including Windu were teetering over the edge. Now he may not have fallen exactly at that point, but he would have taken the first step towards it. Remember, Yoda warned against this when Master Kidi Adi Mundi suggested ousting Palpatine during a council meeting.

Several Jedi left the order because they felt that the Jedi Council's stance on supporting a corrupt Senate was going against the tenets of the Jedi. If one read the books and comics of the EU, one will find many Jedi claiming that the dark side was now everywhere. While watching the movie, one gets the idea that things are not the same. That like Gil Scott Heron suggested, the winter is here.

In our scenario, Anakin would not need to make any moves. There will be some Jedi who would think that Master Windu's move was unforgivable and call for his removal from the Council. With three other members of the council dead, new members would be needed. This would cause a split in the Jedi Order. There will be those who will take sides with Mace Windu and those who would not.

We must keep in mind that with Palpatine dead, the Separatists would not know what to do. Their leaders all wiped out, some would consider surrender while others would continue to fight. In the Senate, there will be internal squabbling over who would become the Supreme Chancellor. It is easy to figure out who would be on which. The List of 2000, who signed the petition asking Palpatine to resign several of his executive powers, would be considered the peaceniks. They would sue for peace with the Separatists to sit at the negotiating table. There would be several Senators who would not fall for this. This would bring the Republic into further strife with new systems going to the Separatists and several doing their own thing. Now add the Jedi into the mix. There will be several of them caught up in the political confusion and end up fighting the people they were sent to defend. Now the clone troopers would become occupational forces throughout the galaxy. Mace Windu and his Jedi co-horts would have to either take over or dissolve the Senate.

Did I just mention the clones? Remember that they have pledged allegiance to the Republic and the office of the Supreme Chancellor. Palpatine represented the Republic. So in a sense, Order 66 would still be sent out. So several clones would turn against their Jedi commanders. This time however, many of the Jedi would know what happened on Coruscant so many more will survive then if Palpatine made the order. As a matter of fact, we might find that some Clone commanders will continue to follow their Jedi leaders since the Jedi Council have taken over the office of the Supreme Chancellor.

In the middle of all this, we have Anakin Skywalker. His entire goal was to save Padme Amidala and his children. Whose side would he take? Well remember, he has always said that the Senate should be dissolved. That a strong man should be in charge and if no one liked it, they should be taking to the clink (Episode II). Yet his only chance to save his wife is now dead. Where would he get this knowledge? Well, as a member of the Jedi Council he can now pillage the Jedi holocrons in their library. He would have to be made master now since there is a shortage of masters on the council. There would also be Jedi who still feel that he is the One. At this point, they will assume that he should run the council since his militant approach to problems would be ideal in this era of strife.

So in closing, Anakin would still fall to the Dark Side. It would just take longer for him to get there.

48 comments:

Amadeo said...

I gotta wonder though since he couldn't do what Palpatine ordered him to after Windu's death, wouldn't Amidala survive? Would that possible stop him from falling. Then again his attachment might still cause a fall.

The Darth Bane Novel was good.

9mm Ed said...

Cross-blog explosion!

I do feel that Windu would have skirted the Dark Side even more, but he no doubt would have been confronted by Yoda or Obi Wan before accepting totall darkness and going out for sithdom. If he wasn't destroyed, he probably would have been brought back over, though. I mean, hey - it's Mace!

Like Amadeo, I also don't think that Padme would have "lost the will to live," I think that Anakin had a hand in killing her, and he definitely had a hand in breaking her heart, which all adds up to her being so rocked by her man turning out to be everything other than what he was supposed to be that she couldn't even find the strength to live for the kids.

If Order 66 didn't go out, I don't think the clones would have done anything but serve the Jedi they were under. No, I also know that if some learned of the situation in the senate, it would have been cool to see some of them get into it with some Jedi/Senate loyalists. Like we said on the show, the Seps would still be out there trying to keep their shit together and keep fighting the Republic. Perhaps they's even get some Jedi on their side, thus lengthening the war, until they were stopped by attrition or sactions by the Republic. OR.. what if they seceeded comlpletely and there were 2 galactic goverments that came out of it? Would that be so bad with the Sith gone, or would that start a new era of a "Cold War" in Star Wars? Hmmmm.... I like the possibilities here ;)

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Human said...

Killing Palp? No problem. Mace has always been perfectly comfortable skirting the Dark Side. After all, he invented Vaapad for that very purpose.

Ani would've fell to his knees in that office and started crying. Mace says, "I know it's hard son, he was your friend since you were but a boy, but the Sith must not return to the galaxy."

Ani & Padme disappear during a 'diplomatic mission' (using Obi-Wan's sneaky-ass trickery & R2 to fake the explosion of their ship en route), but they're actually at the Naboo lakehouse. They have a great last couple of months, then Padme dies during childbirth, and so do the twins (they're still inside her though).

Anakin freaks out, and vows to get revenge on Windu and/or rediscover Plagueis' life/death power thing. I would assume that he either intends to raid the Holocron on Coruscant (unlikely the info is even there), or more probably - heard to Korriban to raid the Sith Tombs. (now wouldn't THAT be a cool planet to see on film?)

In the meantime, The Jedi Council is doing fine running what's left of the Senate (since at least half of them left and joined the Separatists the death of Beloved Leader) All the "good planets" wear white helmets, and all the "evil planets" wear black helmets.

After two more years of Galactic Civil War, most of the oldest, more prominent systems start to come to their senses. The industry groups that formed the original core of the Confederacy have taken such a financial and physical beating, that continuing war would equal suicide to them, especially economically, which is their main motivation. War no longer makes sense, and the Senate comes back together in bits and chunks, using the election systems that have been perfected over the last 25,000 years of democracy. Recovery takes some time, at least 10-20 years, but when it's rebuilt, it's done CORRECTLY, under the collective guidance of the Council, and ultimately - Yoda. The business monopolies are broken up. No more economic factions are the Senate however - representation is now strictly geographically & population based. An entire section of the Jedi Organization is designated and trained to sniff out all the DarkSide/Palpy-tainted judges, Senators, etc.

In the meantime, Ani has found the knowledge he needed on Korriban by using all them cool ghosts to make a Force Storm to the Netherworld, and he jacked Plagueis up against the astral wall and told to give up the goods. Even though it's been just a couple of weeks, the experience has aged Ani by ten years. He goes back to the lakehouse and resurrects Padme, and she then gives birth to two beautiful lil Sith Zombies (nobody knows this yet). Anakin and Padme make three more happy cute Sith Zombie babies in the next five years.

I would go on, but this already exceeds the time limits of Episode Three.

But you can see how a war between generations of normal-looking Sith Zombies (who eventually end up becoming a noticeable part of the Naboo population), and the Jedi Gov't becomes inevitable, to 'bring balance to the Force', as it were. Episode Four wouldn't have to begin for at least 40-50+ years. Yoda would still be strong and healthy, thanks to top-notch medical care and not living in the swamp of hell. At the end of the epic battle between all the Jedi and all the Sith Zombie descendants ends up being old Yoda vs. old Anakin, and they both impale each other and die together, then all the Sith and Jedi are dead. (If you're wondering, Luke kills old Obiwan then gets killed by old Windu, who gets killed by Leia. All the Sith Zombie family folks have an in-born understanding of ALL the secrets of Korriban)

Luckily Yoda foresaw this, and put a rule in place for a normal Chancellor to be elected in case of such an event, and it ends up being someone from the Valorum family. Business as usual. The end.

Cut to a picture of Ghost-of-Plagueis smiling down on the Galaxy.

Human said...

Oops, made a couple of typos & internal-consistency errors, but you get the picture.

This also give Plagueis the chance to say to Anakin (during the Netherworld confrontation) "Anakin, I am your Father."

Avrielle said...

I have a few questions..

what if Anakin allowed Count Dooku to live?

What if ani lost the race in Episode I?

What if Order 66 never went out?

What if Yoda never went into exile?

What if the Death star didn't get destroyd?

What if Ani suceeded in killing Obi-Wan at the endof Episode III?

what if Padme didn't die?

What if C-3P0 and R2-D2 didn't go to Luke's home planet?

What if Leia never recorded a message and put it in R2?

What if 3P0's mind wasn't wiped?

Sorry for all the questions.. i'm just curious x.o

Anonymous said...

what if Anakin allowed Count Dooku to live?

Palpatine would have engineered Dooku's death by another method shortly, such as assassination ala Lee Harvey Oswald/Jack Ruby


What if ani lost the race in Episode I?

Qui-Gon would have taken him by force, slaying Watto.


What if Order 66 never went out?

You mean if Palpatine hadn't given the order? Impossible. If you mean by a flaw in communication, then perhaps the Civil War would have lasted a couple more years, still ending in the same result.


What if Yoda never went into exile?

And did what instead, hang out on Coruscant? Palpatine's minions would have hounded him until the end, probably resulting in Anakin/Vader having to slay Yoda.


What if the Death star didn't get destroyd?

Death Star One? There'd be a lot more missing planets in the GFFA.


What if Ani suceeded in killing Obi-Wan at the endof Episode III?

Then Anakin would have had the chance to raise his children as his apprentices and take Palpatine's place as ruler of the galaxy.


what if Padme didn't die?

She would have been a roommate of the Lars family until dying of old age.



What if C-3P0 and R2-D2 didn't go to Luke's home planet?

Then the whole second trilogy would never have taken place.


What if Leia never recorded a message and put it in R2?

Same thing. The Rebels would have been crushed.


What if 3P0's mind wasn't wiped?

He'd still be gay.

Anonymous said...

if anakin allowed mace windu to kill palpatine. then there will be no more darth vader,,,,the title of the movie is starwars the end of the sith.....that will never happen....first the trust of anakin to the jedi council is shaken...anakin is also frustrated with the council because he was not granted a rank of master...and anakin is so worried about padme...so anakin is absolutely full of stress....actualy palpatine is his adviser,mentor,master so he follows the order of the dark lord.of the sith

Anonymous said...

another thing windu will not be fallen to the dark side....bacause as a master he knows how to deal with the sith as well as yoda...to become a jedi master you must kill a sith...that is the point why anakin anakin is so frustrated with the council......infact he deflect the lightning strike of palpatine and show the real identity of the dark lord

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